Hello again to everyone. I haven't written any posts for a long time, but today I come up again with a very exciting news about Fuelino project. As some people might know, I have sadly sold my Honda CBR125R and bought a used Ducati Monster 797 Plus at Ducati Kawasaki, last month. This new motorcycle is so good, I really like the sound of this "pompone" engine, and the torque is present from low engine speed, which is good when you want to overtake some slow car.
But let's talk about serious news now, regarding Fuelino. The current software was not able to manage more than one injector, therefore it could be used only for single cylinder motorcycles. On opposite, the new software, which I am going to describe in this article, is now able to manage up to 2 fuel injectors. It is exactly what I, and you, need to manage a Ducati 2-cylinders engine. The compatibility is still ensured also with single cylinder engines, all you have to do is to avoid to physically connect the 2nd injector, and set the "#define N_CYLS_ACTIVE 1" instead of "#define N_CYLS_ACTIVE 2", in the file named "INJducatimgr.cpp" . Simple, right? Please download the full SW here: fuelino_ducati_v_1_0_beta1_20180815.
Due to the ability of managing 2 fuel injectors (2 cylinders) instead of 1, and due to the main purpose which is to install this new Fuelino software on a Ducati L-twin engine, I have called this new software "Fuelino Ducati".
This brand new version of Fuelino software also includes, as the previous software, the ability to log the data on Micro SD memory card. Relevant data such as "injection time", in microseconds, can be logged on your SD card, and exported in a CSV file using a PC application. The software is also able to modify the fuel injection command time, increasing it by a specific number of microseconds, which can be defined in specific calibration maps. If you have recently upgraded to an exhaust pipe like Termignoni or similar, you probably notice that the fuel mixture is going to become lean. Fuelino helps you to enrich the mixture (more gasoline = longer injection command) in order to avoid engine overheating.
By now, I had a quick look at the Ducati Monster 797 user's manual. And also, by having a look directly at the engine (and online), it seems that the injectors are Continental/Siemens Deka VII, and the original ECU installed on the motorycle is a Synerject M3C, like previous Monster (696, 796, etc.). The engine architecture of this Desmodue (air cooled 2-valves L-twin engine) is the same as the one of the Scrambler 800 Icon and similar.
The injectors can be noticed in the above picture (left side of the motorcycle), as well as in the one below (right side). In this Ducati Monster, there is only one throttle body, which then splits the air to the intake manifold to each of the 2 cylinders. For each cylinder, there is an injector. The injectors are easilly visible in the images, they are inserted in the intake manifold (black plastic tube) and they have a standard Mini Timer connector. Ducati used the same connector also for some previous Monster versions, but in the past the injectors were manufactured by Magneti Marelli (up to the Monster 1000 of more than 10 years ago, if I am not wrong), while now they are made by Siemens/Continental Deka, as explained above.
Now that I finally understood which type of injectors are installed on the Ducati Desmodue L-twin cylinders engine, the next step is to wait for these Mini Timer connectors to arrive from China (I bought both Male and Female connectors) from Aliexpress. In the meantime, I am validating the new Fuelino software "on the desk" using a fuel injection signal stimulation program, which simulates the original ECU injection pattern, and checks if Fuelino is responding correctly. Check it out.
For more information about Fuelino Project, please check this page: https://www.monocilindro.com/fuelino/.
12 thoughts on “Fuelino on a Ducati Monster 797”
Hello greeting from Thailand,
This is the great project!! I'm interesting in "Fuelino Ducati" also as my bike is Monster 795 (its 796 asian model). Just want to know the progress of this project.
Keep my eyes on this project.
You did a great job man!!
Could two boards be used together on a four cylinder motor?
Yes, you need to assembly 2 boards and connect the cables to both. For 4 cylinders engine, the firing order is: 1, 4, 3, 2. So, I suggest you to connect one ECU to 1 and 3, and the other to 4 and 2, so that the distance between injections become uniform.
Hello, greetings from Finland,
You have a very interesting blog and well documented ideas with clear instructions.
A couple of questions :
Is it possible to use Fuelino with older Ducati twins quipped with early generation Marelli ECU's? E.g. ST2 models with Marelli 16M ECU without lambda sensors.
How about using Fuelino with newer Marelli ECU's e.g. Marelli 5AM which is used in many Moto Guzzi models.
Yes. Remember that most motorcycles have similar circuits for the injector commands. So basically, Fuelino platform is compatible with ~100% of the fuel injection engines with up to 2 injectors.
David please send me file that worn to send out to be made I downloaded every file I have on here and it won't load up in most sites and I'd It does some of it it'll ask me for drill file cad files cpl sticks cause I don't have a pc or id create the simple schematic for 1 injector bug no go on phone please help
This is vishal here
Can u please let me know,
What are the changes between fuelino proto 3 and fuelino proto 4?
Hello Davide, I watched all your videos on the Fuelino project. This is fantastic work. I was wondering if the Fuelino would work on a KTM 990? I have a KTM 990 with the Keihin fuel system but as you may know the throttle response on these motorcycle is very jerky or snatchy at low rpms. I've made many recommended changes as suggested by many owners and although the machine rides better it still isn't as smooth as it should be. Could your Fuelino be used on this motorcycle to smooth out the low rpm throttle issue? Thank you
hi help me
how this can use in 1 cylinder, i am confusing about 2injektor in diagram .
Hello Davide. Thanks for sharing your great projects. Very illuminating indeed. One question arises. If I am able to add two extra injectors total of four to my setup would it be possible to drive them parallel with fuelino? I mean that can I just pick up injection signal for the existing injectors and start injection with other pair in certain conditions. Injection circuitry does not need to go thru fuelino but can still coexist.
im working on a two stroke project at home.
it's a complete selfmade engine with a little rare cilinderhead.
in need a control unit for get it running.... mechanical ready.
The engine has one fuel injector and 2 spark plugs.
also it has a mechanical roots type blower.
the swept volume is 350cc.
So im pretty curious if i can use you invention for my application.?
Buon giorno e spero che vi trovate bene in salute.
Questo progetto del fuelino e stato un immenso aiuto per me che sono un appasionato di moto e altre tanto eletronica. Ho un Honda Hornet EFI a cercavo di vedere come si puo fare un controllo della trazione. Coincidentemente seguivo un altro Italiano che navigava i forums chiedendo molte cose ma non sembra che ha l'abilita technica per completare il progetto.
Questo suo vedo che servirebbe come una bella piattaforma da dove uno puo comminciare. Di piu vorrei poter leggere piu dati ed informazione dalla moto come l ABS etc. Allora gia avevo l intenzione prima che trovavo il su articolo di usare l AT 128 oppure il 1284 e gli o comprati gia. Come sempre il vero problema e trovare il tempo. Ma questa un altra cosa.
Ho l intenzione di usare il vostro codice se me lo permette oviamente questo progetto una cosa personale e non per motivi di profitto. E penso le ragioni sono anche ovvi; sulle moto non si scherza.
Grazie molto per il vostro contributo. Capisco che dato tutte le sue moto sono massimo due cilindri, come l HD 883 😉 sara questa la sola ragione che non hai usato qualcosa che a piu perni analogi?